Jorge

I suppose that any sport or activity done as an amateur, not for pay, Professional, could be called entertainment then. Yet I would wager that many who do any particular "sport," take it more seriously than just for the entertainment value. Now the costume contests might be considered entertainment. That would be another thread, indeed The fireworks that you often have with the Big Matches are Entertainment. As far as having a match, really at any level, I would think that the successful matches are well thought out so they are perceived as a fair challenge for the competitors, as you allude to. A match Director wants the event to be well regarded both for reputation and for the returning business (Dollars). It does take money to have good matches, no doubt. The matches that I have attended at Paradise Pass have been for the most part fair, reasonable matches, to you and your Match Directors credit. But I have never gone to a match to be entertained.

FJT had some good comments in the WB-EOT thread. I always expected that State level and above, certainly National or EOT matches to be challenging. In the past, the ones that I have competed in, they had their challenges, some more than others. After most "Big" Wild Bunch matches, I am mentally fatigued. I, and I have heard others say, that Wild Bunch is more fatiguing and difficult that Cowboy Action, and that the latter seem easier after a Wild Bunch match. More targets, more difficult targets, more control needed for the firearms due to the Power factor, more brass to retrieve, and more movement on tough stages have made it more challenging. Then you add in more equipment/ammo failures and often more penalties to add to the situation. Challenges abound. Perhaps for some, these aspects are too daunting; some want to be entertained with less of the above. It will be interesting to see how having a challenging shooting sport can mesh with having an entertaining shooting sport.

GJ, Thanks for the information. I thought about the magazine capacity, but wondered if I had forgotten other limitations. Have a god day. Don Jorge

Beside magazine capacity, what are reasons not to use a Model 12 Featherweight or Model 25 for Wild Bunch?

Many complained when the targets were small and the distances greater than "Cowboy," and there were a lot of misses. What did they think of a match with so many SDQ's? Sounded like an excessive number, given the Competition level at EOT.

Sounds like a difficult match. What were some other comments from other shooters?

How was the match? Any comments about it?

Yes! The Firing Pin from Bogus Deal is the best!

Either belt. As long as they conform to SASS WB Rules.

Just signed up for the Wild Bunch Match! Should be a Great match.

Black Sharpie Make sure the sights are in line with the rules for traditional. even with the dots blacked out. May need different sights.

So, Less than ten yards is UNSAFE, according to manufacturers. So, basically ALL CAS matches and many WBAS matches are unsafe. Did they comment on target size, distance from the ground and support mechanism, or was this just a blanket statement to "cover?" Was it jacketed, lead, or all bullets? The real question is at what rifle and pistol distances, with appropriate targets, would people NOT return to shoot a match? I have witnessed people not returning to a venue due to targets (small) and distance (beyond even former guidelines).

I did not want to hijack FJT's thread, but he and CN Double bring up a good topic. How close is too close for Wild Bunch? In a ten stage match, how many could be "close" for fun and variety. To ask the question, what distances would be acceptable to our Wild Bunch Shooters?

There is still a power factor for rifles; it is 60, as stated in the rules. There is also the 1911 power factor, 150. Power Factor could still be checked at State and above matches, especially with the newer, more easily set up chronographs. At the Club level, one would not need to meet power factor, whatever it might be, in order to "get shooters interested." But should they go to a "Big" match, ammo might have to be changed. Cowboy Action was always Revolver(s), shotgun and RIFLE. Wild bunch Action Shooting should continue to be 1911, shotgun, and RIFLE. As in CAS, the rifle shooting may be less difference from shooter to shooter, it is still important with the shooting as well as the transitions.

Many seemed to have loaded the .45 acp for a power factor closer to 160, to ensure making the cut. Not unreasonable for the power factor to be 150-160 for the .45 For the rifle, it would be easy to get to a PF of 120 with a 158 gr bullet and many of the common powders used for the .38 special, according to the loading manuals that I have looked at. Going to a .38 +P or even a .357, which is the chamber anyway, may require a different powder, and I would bet that some would use that (getting another powder) to PREVENT them from shooting WB. In any case, I am in favor of a higher (than 60) PF for the rifle, and continuing the 150 minimum for the 1911, .45 acp. And, I would chrono at State and above matches.