El Chapo

Well I can tell you this: I absolutely insist on never loading anything lighter than published starting loads and I've been doing this for ~20 years. I definitely wouldn't tell someone else to do something I would never do myself.

I think it's a really bad idea for a new shooter to be deviating from book loads. He needs a faster burning powder, especially for low pressure cartridges like these.

I don't really understand the obsession with the 150 power factor for rifles. It is not appreciably harder to shoot a 150 pf rifle than it is to shoot one with cowboy loads. If we're serious about power factor, it should be 170 or even 180 for the pistols and just leave the rifles alone. A 45 doesn't run well at 150 and everyone already knows there is no chrono and no chrono procedure as it is, so it would just invite rampant cheating. 150 pf for 9mm does not require 160 grain bullets either, there's factory 147 grain loads doing well beyond that already and I could easily boost my basic 147 lead loads that I'm shooting to achieve 1020 fps. They're already going ~950 as it is because even a 9mm doesn't run that great at 125 pf unless it has a pretty light slide. I would completely agree that IF we are going to do an open category, it should allow any caliber 1911. I would take it a step further and it should allow any wood stock pump shotgun as well. Another thing I'd really like to see, which sadly I doubt I will ever see, is being allowed to use modern magazines with plastic basepads. I am not sure what we are achieving by banning the magazines virtually everyone else is using in their 1911s, but I would really like to lose the leather basepads and just use my normal magazine, even if they won't let me use my magwell. Maybe they should make a "classic" or "heavy metal" division for the purists. I might even join them, I have nothing against what they're trying to achieve other than that I think they are focused on the wrong thing. If we want to make Wild Bunch competitive with other shooting disciplines, the most meaningful changes that need to happen are that we need to have loaded starts, loaded movement, and stop banning common modern equipment like magazines. Those changes alone would make WBAS into a dynamic shooting sport that would completely sever it from those who want it to be cowboy with a 1911. Both loaded starts and loaded movement were permitted at Bordertown this year and it was an absolute blast. They called it "Historic 3 gun" rules. I call it "every other handgun sport on earth." But either way, those are the big changes that need to happen for this to become a dynamic shooting sport: loaded starts and loaded movement. Loading your gun is not a sport. Timing people loading their gun is not a competition; it's dangerous.

A pound wouldn't be worth my time, but I'm sure someone will want it. If there was someone out there who had a crate of 8 pound jugs it'd be a different story. The small containers were 10 ounces as well, so if that's what you have, that's closer to a half pound than a pound, really not worth the time. The next time Ramshot Competition is available, I'm probably going to buy 32 pounds of it or more. I could almost certainly load all my wild bunch ammo with it and there's probably not anything better.

There were major issues with getting signed up for this forum for a long time that have supposedly been fixed. That may be why many people talk about WBAS over there. Others may not even realize we have our own forum.

I really don't know why there is so much focus on power factor and further away targets to try to distinguish this from cowboy. Let us move with loaded 1911s and target placement can be made so much more interesting and complex. This is literally the only handgun shooting sport that I know of where loaded movement isn't allowed. Once that rule is relaxed, the sky is the limit. Nobody should care about rifle caliber nor target distance when there is movement. And for the record, I'm totally fine with higher power factor and I see no problem with raising the .45 power factor to 165 or even 175 as 150 is a joke, too, if that is to be our focus.

I need to try to make this match next year. It's a shame it's so close to Bordertown.

What is ROBS?

I take great pleasure in throwing it in the trash. The existence of small primer .45 really irritates me.

Would you mind sending me instructions? I won one in a raffle at Geronimo Trail and have yet to get to it.

Bullseye with a 230 is an excellent combination for 45 Auto. I don't load it but if I had Bullseye, that's what I'd be loading it in. I would not mess with heavier bullets, as the case is too small and pressures can get scary quickly if you do that.

I have an 8 pound jug of Aliant extra lite right now I'm going through as well, but there's a few cautions here. There are no published metallic loads for it that I'm aware of. Also, all Alliant powders are suspended production indefinitely, so once my jug is gone, I may not see any more. Given how scary the pressure spikes could be with it, I would not load it in any metallic cartridge. If I could pick one powder to rule them all, it'd probably be my personal favorite: Accurate Solo 1000. Unfortunately it has been discontinued for about 11 years, so I'm hoarding the last little bit I have. Runner up would be Hodgdon Clays for CAS/WBAS. After that, Alliant Red Dot and Ramshot Competition are two others I've tried that I would load in metallic cartridges and shotgun. Winchester WST works, too.

No real surprises here other than the shotgun misses. I am surprised to see the margin of victory on some of the questions though. Glad to see many people wrote similar comments to the ones I recognize as mine.

If my reading of the text is correct, I don't have to consult anything. It'd be the person claiming I was doing something against a non-existent rule who would bear the burden of explaining what was violated. Since I have enough ammunition for quite a while, I came here to see what others were doing because black powder is fun. I never said you had no grounds to express whatever you want. I asked what your textual support was. What's the call? And on what do you base the call?

Which I would do anyway, 3 dot sights are a terrible distraction. Not sure how those ever became popular.