Sedalia Dave

3.9 grains of TightGroup was not building sufficient pressure to accomplish the proper burning of the powder. This caused erratic ignition and associated variations in velocity. With 4.0 grains the powder is generating enough pressure to ensure better ignition of the powder charge. Would be interesting to see the SD and ES of a 4.1 grains of TightGroup

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Interesting. I see your point. Especially the part where the shooter skipped three targets without actually engaging them. By my thinking, shooter's choice only applies to the actual target that the malfunction occurred on. Skipping any additional targets should earn a P for failure to engage plus the misses. Only way not to earn the P is to declare the pistol broke. Then it would just be the misses. WBAS allows the shooter to carry extra mags just like SASS allows the shooter to carry extra ammo; so there is no justification for allowing the shooter to skip the other targets just because they dropped a partial magazine. My justification for the above is that sometimes in SASS more than 1 round is ejected when clearing a malfunction The shooter still has to reload and engage the remaining targets or they earn a P for failure to engage the remaining targets plus the misses.

Link to Lovex D032 https://explosia.cz/app/uploads/2016/11/reloading_Lovex_EN.pdf Link to Shooters World Clean Shot https://shootersworldpowder.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Clean-Shot-Load-Data-Pistol.pdf Looking at the data for D032 / Clean shot it will work for 45 ACP although the starting load is a little hot for WB ( PF of about 180 )

Missed that. Thanks for the correction.

Easily made the smoke standard. Without compression, a 45 ACP case will hold about 1.1 cc of powder when using a 230 grain bullet.

I did a test match with my 1911. Loaded Triple 7 to the base of a 230 grain Hi-Tek coated bullet. Shot a 6 stage WB-Lite match (60 rounds) with nary a problem and no cleaning of the barrel or chamber between stages.

As long as they are unjacketed, yes they are legal. If they have a copper jacket, not legal

Those last 2 comments sound like they came from people that have never shot a true WB match. Makes me think that their expectations were for a SASS match shot with a 1911 and not an action match that required people to actually use their front sight. I do wonder about the comment "I was working all the time". Were the posses small? Were shooters not pulling their weight by failing to step up and do posse chores?

Would also be interesting to know how many first time or nearly first time WB shooters there were in attendance. And how many of the SDQs were earned by first time or nearly first time WB shooters. No matter how many SASS matches a person has under their belt it doesn't really prepare a shooter for full on WB. Neither does shooting a SASS match with a 1911 as those matches are usually lacking in the action department. I am always amazed at how many first time or nearly first time SASS shooters attend state and above matches. I get this is an entertainment business but I sure hope WB doesn't get dumbed down to the point where it is SASS with a 1911 because of how EOT unfolded..

Best advice I was given is to have mags that work every time without fail. Second was to use a loaded round gage and check every round you will use in a match. Any round that doesn't drop fully into the gage goes into the practice bin. Also check that the primers are fully seated.

Too far will not keep me from returning to a match. Neither will targets that are small, cut into odd shapes or that are too big. What will keep me away are targets set too close. I've seen targets set 6 feet from the firing line. I don't care how the steel is angled, targets at that distance are TOO darn close and If I'm aware that they are that close I'm not showing up. Target sequences shouldn't be so complicated that they are P-traps, That said Variety is a good thing.

I shoot one when I'm somewhere where WB is offered. Because I shoot one in CAS, I find it easier to use as muscle memory works in my favor. Currently using an unmodified NORINCO 87 that easily loads 6. The new CImarrons can easily be modified to hold 6.

Set and enforce a minimum target distance. Some clubs have targets at 3 to 4 feet from the muzzle. That's way too close no matter how the steel is set for WB loads. Stages should be a variety of distances, target arrangements, shooting order. Keep the movement. Stay out of the 10, 10, 4 rut that has become SASS. Encourage stages that only use two guns vice three, stages with a SG or Rifle reload. Clean WB stages shouldn't be the norm Minimum PF for rifle rounds. (125) Allow Lugers, Broomhandles, 1917s etc.

Closest Monthly WB match for me is the Oakwood Outlaws which are about a 2.5 hour drive. I don't get to shoot it as it's held on Mondays and I still have a Day job. When I retire in a couple years I intend to attend it several times a year. They also offer Dough Boy, Teddy Roosevelt, BAMM, and GAMM As a rule I will shoot WB when offered at multi day matches when offered. Haven't been to a match that offers BAMM, GAMM as a side match. For WB I still shoot my 44WCF. Since making the 87 legal I switch from a 97 to it.