Happy Jack

I guess since there is no longer a committee to settle nor is there a spokesman to say what the position is this it may be up to the WBAS TG's to settle. A sorry state.🤢

Many years ago I brought this up to Texas Jack Morales and he said it was ILLEGAL,  HOWEVER, I don't think we officially addressed it in the rules.  With the new administration I have no idea officially, but I think it would be allowed. 

Wow, an ES of 100??  Thats terrible. An accident waiting to happen.

I will agree with Deacon on mostly things, the only one I will comment on is magazines.  They have changed a lot in recent years. McCormick was bought by Wilson and by far the most widely used by pro shooters and best magazines currently available for 1911s are the cobra mags from Tripp Research. Don't get me wrong I have had good results from Wilson, McCormick, real Colt, and Actmag,  but I only shoot cobra mags anymore.

While clearing long guns "on the line"  has some appeal I doubt it will be approved for major matches. SASS makes the final decisions on rule changes for WBAS and the Unloading table is a sacred cow for them.

1911 "smiths" are a dime a dozen ????  There are a lot of gunsmiths, but VERY few 1911 pistol smiths.  Bogus deal is one.

The only gunsmith I know of who turns a 45 Colt into a 45ACP is Cody Connager.  I think he still does them.

I'm left handed too. The reverse magazine release is NOT allowed. THE safety is allowed.

Schoen, since you haven't posted your location we don't know who to refer you to. SASS TG's have NO affiliation with the WBAS rules.  CAS and WBAS are two completely different sports. Both operated under the SASS umbrella.  WBAS has regional Ambassadors who act similarly to CAS TG's.

One of the inside sayings in the industry for at least 30 years is:  If you want a beautiful pistol get an Ed Brown, if you want an accurate pistol get a Les Baer, if you want a pistol that always runs get a Bill Wilson. Obviously some new names like Nighthawk come along but those earlier statements still hold true. As mentioned a Baer needs a few hundred rounds to break in as they are built so tight. i've owned several of the 3 aforementioned over the years. The statements held true for mine.  ENJOY

I'm not here to argue, but the Chinese clones (I have one) have all the correct arsenal markings as the original 1897 winchesters so they at least don't look like a regular gun with a heat shield added.  As for a model 12 I don't know of a clone with arsenal markings.  The Committee will discuss this issue as I stated earlier.

As already stated modifying an original sport shotgun to make it appear like a "trench gun" is NOT listed as an allowable external modification.    Real model 12 "trench guns" are extremely rare and collectable so seeing an actual one (not a fake)  would be unexpected at a WBAS match. Model 12 "riot guns" without the heat shield etc. are not as rare and are legal under the current rues. 

 

The RO committee will put the issue of a real model 12 trench gun on the list for discussion.  In the meantime I personally feel that it would be allowed but that is not an official final decision as the wording in the rule would need to be modified.

Doc, it has always been ILLEGAL to modify an existing standard issue shotgun to look like it was a "trench gun" style. Adding the heat shield, bayonet lug etc. part is NOT listed as an allowable external modification.

Frenchie.  That shotgun with the front bead changed is  LEGAL in your area.  We are much more lenient in countries with stricter firearm laws than we are here in the US with wide availability of obviously legal firearms.

Model 12's with a vent rib are pretty common and  LEGAL. 

As already mentioned two different scenarios, two different penalties.  For a few years we wrote in the WBAS Match Directors guide that "split sequences" were strongly discouraged but since almost no MD's or stage writers read the MD guide we dropped it and many other things in the MD guide.  I agree with Artemus that it is not a good idea but other disagree. I feel it is a "penalty trap" for traveling shooters especially when it is rarely seen in many places.

CN,  All of your speculations are part of it and also at the time of writing all of the 38-40 shooters we spoke with were using 180grain bullets of lighter. While you can get 180grain bullets for 45ACP they are so light that you need to re-spring the pistol to get good performance so those things were also considered.  The biggest regret I have was dropping the power factor to 150 instead of leaving it at the worldwide standard of 165. I was just trying to keep the masses used to pop gun loads from complaining.  I was told by the General, the Judge and Coyote when writing the rules it was to be a big bore full power sport and the biggest mistake was the lowered power factor but it is too late now.

Shortening the hammer  "a bit"  that isn't really noticeable would be OK.  I am sure there are many early style hammers that have been worked on in use in WBAS.

In response to the comment about  "bobbing the hammer"  it is an ILLEGAL external modification.

Reading the WBAS Shooter's Handbook Version 15  page 12.

  This section has NOT changed for at least 8 years.

  There is NO mention of a Model 12 trench or riot gun configuration being legal.

 

As an aside adding a heat shield with bayonet attachment to an existing 1897 if it was not originally manufactured as one is also ILLEGAL.

 

Page 27 same handbook under ILLEGAL items:  Slings or bayonets on main match long guns.

I AGREE ENTIRELY !!!!    We have been able to maintain the WBAS forum as an informative and helpful place for those seriously interested in WBAS shooting to come for information. If it were to become merged with the current SASS wire I am sure it will become just another mess.

NO      There are NO listed external modifications listed for BAMM rifles.  Must be AS ISSUED with original iron battle sights.

 

WBAS SHB page 17

Slides are available. Basically stripped. Buy a KART barrel. Fitting the barrel to the frame/slide is not a job for the beginner. Better off to get parts to someone like Boggus Deal and have him fit everything. Better yet tell him what you want and he can do the whole job.  Will need the frame to make everything fit.  NOT an easy job if the frame is off spec at all. Expect it to cost a few hundred $$ total for parts/labor.  Sometimes it is cheaper to get an inexpensive pistol and have it tuned than trying to retrofit.  JMHO from someone in the business for 50+ years. Talk to Boggus. He will give you good advise and is currently active.  I'm retired.

NO  There is no exception in the WBAS rifle requirements for the 56-50.

I shoot both. Most of mine are flat but if I were to change anything I would put arched ones on some of my pistols. They just feel better to me. But not enough better to spend the money to replace a bunch.