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Hmmm... the OP asked a question and received a very plausible answer in the first response. Unless you were involved in drafting either set of rules... it's just speculation on your part, and your speculation is just as valid as the next person's. Nothing to get worked up about. The earliest rule book I have digitized (1989), specifies that #4 shot is the largest allowable. Somewhere I have rule books from EOT in 1986 & the original SASS rule book from 1987. As I recall, both specify the same. So that rule pre-dates my earliest recollections in cowboy action. If that rule follows the trend of other rules, it's in place because someone use a larger shot size and created a real or perceived safety hazard. 'Nough said. I've used #7-½, 8 & 9 shot in both CAS and WB and haven't encountered a difference worth noting. The earliest WB Handbook I have digitized is from 2009, the first edition and specifies the largest size shot as #6. No explanation provided. GJ's speculation is certainly plausible. Maybe PM Happy Jack, as I seem to recall his being involved in drafting the initial WB rules. Or, at least an early member of the WBROC. Really? Differences of opinion are inevitable. Expressing varied opinions are what make us THINK. It's called communicating. And communicating is what makes a community. SASS is a big community... I don't know anyone that agrees with EVERYTHING... And if they do... I have to wonder they've ever had an independent thought?

After reloading for the 45 Auto for 50+ years, without a checker of any sort, 1st on a RCBS Jr single stage, then since 1987 on a Dillon 550B, no problems to speak of*. Until WB came along, I'd only loaded two bullets in the 45 Auto. A H&G 68 for target work and Speers 4477 HP for SD. They simply worked in all 4 of my 1911s, a Gold Cup, surplus Navy issue Colt, a parts gun I built and a Combat Commander. This entire time I loaded using the same RCBS die set until I got the Dillon. So... in 1987 I began using a Dillon Carbide sizer, but the kept using RCBS seat/crimp die. Frankly, the 45 Auto is so easy to load for, it surprises me when folks have problems. Cases don't grow in length like a rifle cartridge, if anything, they get beat a little shorter, but that's never seemed to become a problem. I've never encountered a split case. When I put my Combat Commander on my "duty gun" list in 1982, the department armorer found an issue I'd been totally unaware of... Something he called "ramping"... Now, all of a sudden my carry gun could feed full wadcutters. I still somewhat haphazardly load my 45 Auto rounds... a 200 grain RFN in front of 4.3 grains of TiteGroup and a Winchester WLP yield ~800 fps for a PF of around 160. This load works a treat in my two Taylor's Tactical 1911s, a Rock Island, and the 4 mentioned above. They've all been "ramped", had the rails polished and run with oil. Most issues with the 1911 platform are with the magazines and operator. You simply cannot "limp wrist" one. While Tripp Research & Wilson Combat mags are probably the best, my CMC Shooting Star mags have served me well.** The worst issue with the 45 Auto is small primer cases. * Besides... ain't an occasional bump with the palm part of the standard "manual of arms" for the 1911? 😁 ** I don't care who the maker is... when folks walk on 'em... they're pretty much toast! So watch where you put your clodhoppers! Learn how to keep your magazines clean, follower straight and lips bent. I'm still using some military mags issued in the early '70s. With proper maintenance, they can last a lifetime. (Theirs, not yours, metal does fatigue).

Ok... if you're trying to load SPs into normal 45 Auto brass, I can see a looming issue. Staying within the recommended dosages, I can't foresee a problem with loosening primer pockets. Unlike Joe or Boggus, I don't think I've ever met a 45 Auto case I didn't like. Well... until it starts getting torn up by the extractor.

Got it, and replied.

Not really. Can't think of anything I need.

I have two Winchester take-down shotguns I'd like to sell. Both dobs are from Winchester's website. So... simply my best guess. 1st is a D series, from 1908, 12 gauge, 21-3/8" bbl. It has small finger grooves cut in wrist. I haven't ever fired it. I bought it some 10 years ago, as back up for my Chinester trench gun for WB, but have never needed it. For Sale in DFW area. FTF only. Make offer. If I name a price, it'll be high. 2nd is a Winchester mdl 12 dob in 1917, 12 gauge, 18-¾" bbl. I bought this in 2019 from Texas Ghost, again for use in WB as a back up or primary shotgun. I've used it a few times, but frankly, I don't run it as smoothly as my Chinester Trench gun. I've only used new Win AA LNLR in it. For sale in DFW area, FTF only. Again, make offer, if I name a price it'll be high. PM if you're local to DFW. We can meet, or if we're acquainted, come out to my place and run a few shells thru them and fondle 'em, if you have my phone #, don't call, I can't hear the phone.

Yes, but was the question... "...keep rifle not last rule?" Or... "get rid of of rifle not last rule?"

IMO, it's just being inconsiderate of everyone that has been using the large primer 45Auto brass for decades. So yep, user name fits. Folks using the small primer brass are simply making it harder for those set up for large primer 45Auto to reload. Brass is not cheaper. I haven't found anywhere that sells new, unprimed small primer brass, and those that sell used brass charge the same, whether small or large primer. I will not return your brass to you, when it winds up in my brass bag, I put it in my scrap brass bin and sell it. In my view, small primer 45 Auto brass is probably the brain child of some "anti-gun" engineer who thought it a great way to infuriate gun folks. Very much how I feel about Hodgdon and its Pyrodex rusting agent that burns.

The Survey Data indicates there was a 7th question that's not listed on the Survey Questions. "Rifle Last"? Given that I have no idea how that question was worded, makes it impossible to interpret the data.

Yes, small pistol primers is an issue... For those who have been reloading the 45ACP for years... simply because sometimes the brass pickers get a few in my return bucket... I loaded 500 45ACP Friday in anticipation of attending a match (it rained... read: I overslept), and encountered 4 SPP cases. Which, since I load on a 550C only interrupted my loading cycle, whereas if I loaded on a auto-indexing machine it would have been a bit more problematic if I didn't catch the failure of a primer to seat. I'm wont to return them to their rightful user, AT FASTBALL SPEED! (aka: as fast as my left arm can hurl them)! Being as you're new... maybe those at your club will be more forbearing. Anyway, welcome to one of the funner games around!

Tisas Safety Recall

I can't tell you anything about your particular gun/model; but... ANY factory gun is going to need the attention of a competent 'smith, well versed with the requirements of a competition gun of that type, before it can be truly "competition ready."

I don't know of any American "soldiers" that wore the Navy "dixie cup".

Once again, I can only hope to attend. Every one I've I've been able to attend has been excellent... raising the bar will be challenging, as I can't imagine how it can get better!

I have two Taylor Tactical's and a RIA, all made by Armscor. The two Taylor's have had action jobs, and are ramped... done before either had a round downrange. But... my #1 WB gun is one of the Taylor's, the only stoppages have been magazine related. Threw away all but two of my old (VN era & issue) military mags, problems solved. I'm using Chip McCormick "Shooting Stars" magazines and have no issues. Several gunmakers are using Armscor parts in their builds, and while they may have different specs than RI, apparently something has to have translated over into their general production, if my samples are indeed, representative. I put my 2 Taylor's up against Colt products, of which I own 3. IMO, they measure up admirably.