JP Remington

OK, we'll leave it there.

Forget about pumps and levers for a minute. SxS shotgun, leaving empties in the discarded gun, MSV yes? Where in the current handbook does it say MSV.

Great answers about the rule, thanks to everyone for their input. On my read the penalty for this rule has been omitted in the latest version (17.6) of the SHB. Pages 28 and 37 in version 17.4 (2024) specifically call out the penalty for leaving an empty in the chamber of a long gun as a MSV. Pages 28 and 37 in version 17.6 (2025) are silent on the matter. @Missouri Ruffian I like your thinking but it's not the hill I want to die on today 🤣

Thankyou, is there a reference in the SHB you can point me to?

P38, thanks for that. What is the penalty for leaving fired hull/s in SxS shotguns?

I have a question about the rules and how they relate to SxS shotguns. In the shooters handbook On P22 :- There is no penalty for an empty case/hull in a gun that is open or that the shooter has cycled. If a proper attempt has been made to cycle the gun, it will be cocked. On P19 :- A shotgun is considered SAFE to leave the shooter’s hands in the following condition only (some conditions may be corrected before firing the next firearm): - Empty. - No live round in the chamber, action cycled, and muzzle safely downrange. - Hammer fully down on an empty chamber or expended round, action closed (restaged for further use) - Action open. So my question is :- At the end of the shotgun string can a SxS shotgun shooter open the shotgun (cycle) and restage with empty hulls in the chambers without penalties? SHB P22 conditions:-(my assumptions in bold) There is no penalty for an empty case/hull in a gun that is open Condition is satisfied - no penalty or that the shooter has cycled. Condition is satisfied - no penalty If a proper attempt has been made to cycle the gun, it will be cocked. Condition is satisfied - no penalty SHB P19 conditions:- (my assumptions in bold) - Empty. No - No live round in the chamber, action cycled, and muzzle safely downrange. Condition is satisfied - no penalty - Hammer fully down on an empty chamber or expended round, action closed (restaged for further use) N/A - Action open. Condition is satisfied - no penalty Thoughts? Thanks JP