Blastin Brad

The 3 of us will be there!

Cardboard... Yes we are camping. I'll be at the main clubhouse. Looking forward to seeing you - and Foxy there.

HI Cardboard! I agree with your explanation of "Military Style". You state "Please ask your ROC member, where in the Handbook does it state that “3 Dot sight’s” are not allowed on a traditional gun. Please use those exact words, “3 dot sight”. However the below items from the book say if something is not listed it is illegal, and you say 3 dot sights are not listed... therefore illegal. You stated that 3 Dot Sight is not stated in the book. Your other comments on filing, colors etc are right with the wording in the book. A 3 dot is not a simple blade in my opinion. These are all from the Wild Bunch Action Shooting Shooters Handbook version 17.6 May 2025 FIREARM COVENANTS (page 9) - Only the modifications referenced here as allowed are approved. All others are illegal. - Any firearm modification not referenced in this handbook is prohibited. 1911 Pistol – Traditional Category Modifications (page 12-13) -Only non-adjustable “military style” simple blade rear and front sights allowed. The 10-8 National Match and the Harrison Design 003 are approved rear sights. - Front sights may be dovetailed, pinned, or staked. - Sights may be the color of the slide or any combination of the slide color, including but not limited to blue, black, or natural stainless (natural colored) steel. The back of a colored front sight may be polished to a natural steel color. Looking forward to seeing ya! Brad

Nice of you all to chime in. Please show me in the rules where it states those sites are legal. I can't find it. If it is left up to a determination, then it proves the book needs to be updated. Also, yes even filled in I'd say they could give an advantage as I can see the spots on the sites when that is done. This came about because I had 3 dots on a Springfield 1911 and because I file the front site it is silver colored. this would require me to use silver of maybe white in the front site so they would no longer have the visible (different color) dots. I was shown the book section that I pasted in my post above and told "no, even filled they are 3 dot sites and do not comply with the rules". so I have changed them to the specified sites in the book. We should never have to say "well it's always been like that since whatever year" - as that does not matter - it should be made clear to all shooters world-wide. Of course the rules have changed multiple times since I started shooting this some 15 yrs ago, so that would make it even harder to remember the approved by word of mouth changes.

Marshal Stone et al. It was a conversation I had with Ethan Callahan. According to the rules, for a Traditional Gun, I agree with him. Page 13 under 1911 pistol - Traditional Category Modifications it states "Only non-adjustable “military style” simple blade rear and front sights allowed. The 10-8 National Match and the Harrison Design 003 are approved rear sights." No where in the rules does it state you can use 3-dot sites for Traditional, blacked out or not. If they are legal for use the rules need to be changed to specify this.

Well, it was a current ROC member. The way the rule is written it says 3 Dot and fiber optic sites are not allowed. If you have those sites, even if blacked out, they are still those sites and therefore illegal. May have been legal in the past, or in cowboy, but looks like it changed. Ethan Callahan should chime in

Not far away now... Looking forward to shooting it.

I've asked about blacking out sites. ROC member said "No, they are still 3 Dot and not allowed". I have since replaced the sites with those specified by the WB handbook.

I'd love to attend this if held!

I used a Tisas for years. Had to replace the inside parts cause my gunsmith could not polish the parts, the metal just flaked off. I hear the new ones don't have this problem with the metal. It performed very well and it is my backup now - treated myself to a Colt a few years ago. The Tisas is a strong performer.

The real question is not who is using a 38 rifle, but who is playing the game that could not before because they could not use a 38. I used a 38 rifle in that match because it's legal and cheaper to shoot. I used my 45 colt the previous 10 yrs.

I shoot at every big match that offers it that I attend. OH State, IN State, MI State, KY State, TN State, Land Run. I'll shoot at local matches when available at Piqua, Gibsonburg and Firelands in Ohio. Local matches are within 2.5 hrs of home.

As the rifle and shotgun are "safe for movement" with a live or fired round on the carrier, I would love to see the old ruling come back. A live round in the chamber is, as always, an SDQ. I also think it has to be "in the chamber with the action closed", if the action is open it is not a safety issue (in my opinion).

I just read all of this... here are a few of my thoughts. 1. I talked to CC Top (now CC Moonshine) several times thru out this change. I didn't like the idea of the changes then and let him know. we talked for hours over the possible changes. I understood that the numbers were down and we needed more participation. The Ohio State WB match went from high 20s maybe low 30s shooting to 8 prior to the changes. Eight shooters at a state match... yes we needed help and things needed to change.. 2. I was all for an "Open" category that allowed 1911s in 9mm, any rifle, and any shotgun. I didn't want to compete against a 9mm 1911 as they are inherently faster than a 45acp. The rifle and shotgun change didn't really bother me as someone shooting a SxS was not going to outdo a stoked 1897. the question came up if you could win the "overall" match if you shot this category. That all depends on what you want to do... grow wild bunch or grow shooters to enter what we all considered the "real" categories at the time. Yep, we are trying to get more shooters in. 3. I must admit that when asked about the rifle I said it didn't make a difference to me cause I could not tell the difference shooting my main match 38 or my WB 45. Mine are both the exact same rifle, just of different caliber. Do I shoot the 38 now? yes I do, it's cheaper and that rifle runs a little better... 4. What I thought we lost... well I liked the targets a little smaller and further out. I liked the challenge and we have lost some of that. However, there is no reason we cannot have some targets further out or smaller... as the rules say "typically" the placement is. 5. We now have new rules. Lets play the game and enjoy it. We can work on changing the rules as we go. The addition of TR and DB classes is interesting to say the least, and I'm interested to see if they grow! Now that we have the new rules, lets get behind the game and make it better, whining here is not going to help. 6. Last.. I've worked with the folks in Historic 3 gun. I'm sorry they walked away from SASS, I think they jumped the gun leaving, but that is their prerogative. They lost me when they started talking and running an "open round count" for the shoots.... I personally am not a fan of that. Hope to see you all at a WB match in the future!

Like to thank Boonie Young and gang for putting on the Ohio State Match. I was a well done match with few issues. I expect to see this grow into the best shoot in the east!