Flying W Ramrod

7 in the top 10 were shooting .38s 12 in the top 20 were shooting .38s

I'm glad you have so much success with your target. All steel moves when hit, that's the nature of the beast. Not every club uses AR500 steel. 150PF Rifle, is not a factor in whether clubs, or shooters, don't shoot WB. It's desire only. Shooters can use any SASS legal, .38 and above, rifle and shotgun. Rock Island offers a GI 1911 for 659.00. You can find them cheaper. It's desire, nothing else. And I'm done with this conversation

Spent many years blacksmithing on steel. You hit a piece of steel 28 times x 20 shooters, the steel reacts differently than hitting it 8 times x 20 shooters. Don't believe it? Grab a piece of 3/8 steel, ar or not, and hit it 460 times and hit another 160 times. Then do this 12 more times. See what the steel tells you. Steel doesn't lie.

Really? Can you show me the numbers? EOT was the most attended. Landrun, when they actually accept WB will be next. Bordertown, for a side match, sells out.

Apples and oranges. Max fps is 1000 and 1400 for SASS. A 230 at 1000fps 28 times has more effect on the surface than a 200 at 1400 8 times. Basic metalurgy.

It's not a PF issue. The main reason SASS wanted an Open category, years ago, was to draw other, cowboy, shooters into WB. WB was not bringing in the revenue spent on awards etc. CAS shooters, who have now started shooting WB, didn't want to have to get a new rifle and shotgun. The cost of the guns for the amount of matches offered, didn't pencil out. So SASS had to change things up and, in so doing, eliminated the PF for all rifles to allow .38's to play. Add in the '87 and SxS shotgun, more shooters could afford to play WB. Enough WB shooters wanted the "big bore" rifles and pump shotgun, SASS decided to bring that back as "Classic". Kinda funny, if the "powers that were" had just allowed an "open" category, none of this would have ever happened. Rifle PF is only in Classic. As far as clubs using rifle PF as a reason to not shoot WB, I say BS. 150pf for pistol is more damaging to a target, because of 28+ rounds vs 7-10, it's just a reason they want to complain.

No No NO. If they want to shoot under 150, for rifle, shoot wild bunch aka mild bunch aka wild bunch lite. But the range/club should understand 150pf for pistol stays. period.dot. It's not the Rifle PF that kept shooters away from WB, it's the cost of the equipment. Just about everyone has, or had, access to a single stack 1911. It was the shotgun and large caliber rifle that scared, potential, shooters away. Not the rifle PF. Now that there is WB for those who don't have, or want to get, the shotgun and rifle, and Classic for those who do. Again, Rifle PF has nothing to do with it.

All it takes is one SASS Sanctioned Match to start it and watch it snowball.

Power factor for pistol is, and always was, 150. Power factor for Wild Bunch Rifle is 60 Power factor for Classic Wild Bunch Rifle is 150 The PF for Pistols was never changed. If a club decides to no longer offer WB because of the 150 PF for Classic Rifle, they need to acknowledge the PF for ALL Pistols, forever, has been 150. Nothing new here. Figure some other reason to not allow WB.

Great idea. Get a bay, that's not being used, turn it into check bay. Shooters come off the previous bay, check in at test bay, weigh, check safeties, do PF test, move on. I like it. Now, to get the Powers That Be, involved. Thanks for the ideas.

How many competitors and, knowing how WB at WR/EOT/Landrun is held, any way to do that at these matches? And, I guess you'd have to hope the ammo brought for testing is the same used during the match. Remember there's a reason for the smoke factor. I'd like to see PF testing and, at the same time and bay, weight and safety checks. Especially the safety checks. Match Directors are setting themselves up for liability by not ensuring the safeties are functioning properly. i.e. Your Honor, why did they assume the safeties were functional.

How many bays? How many volunteers? When do they test? Want to volunteer to help, or just bitch

There was a bay where the equipment was set up for anyone to test their loads. That was the day before WB started. Some folks took advantage of the opportunity, some didn't. It's impractical to check 150+ shooters ammo, at five rounds each, and still complete the match. There is no more MDQ for scoring purposes so, once challenged and found lacking, it's a SDQ for any stage, after that, the ammo is used, and a MDQ for the second stage used.

Wondering why it has never been required to test functionality of this. Grip and Thumb have been the only required testing.

The disconnector aka "John Wayne" safety, is a silly thing to test for Wild Bunch. There should never be an instance where pushing the muzzle against something hard, to keep it from firing, would ever be acceptable.